batch.motif.greek-plato-republic-jowett-gutenberg-l15847-l15992
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record_id: batch.motif.greek-plato-republic-jowett-gutenberg-l15847-l15992
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
passage_locator:
label: BOOK II. / BOOK III. / BOOK IV. / BOOK V.; lines 15847-15992
start: '15847'
end: '15992'
translation: The Republic
notes: Generated from OpenAI Batch run motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority;
human review required.
canonical_text:
quote: ''
summary: 'Socrates argues that the guardian class should be bred and reared under
ruler-controlled regulations: the best men and women should be united most often,
public marriage festivals should conceal selective arrangements through lots,
approved offspring should be taken to nurses, some offspring should be put away,
mothers should not recognize their own children, and reproduction outside prescribed
ages or without sanction should be treated as impious and illegitimate.'
language: English
quote_policy: summarized
literal_observations:
- id: obs:1
text: The passage compares selective breeding among humans to care taken in breeding
dogs, birds, horses, and animals generally.
category: relationship
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:2
text: The rulers are said to require skill and to use falsehood and deceit as medicinal
measures for the good of their subjects.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:3
text: The proposed rule is that the best men and women should be united as often
as possible and the inferior as seldom as possible.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:4
text: The passage says that offspring from one sort of union should be reared, while
offspring from the other should not be reared, in order to maintain the flock
in first-rate condition.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:5
text: The arrangements concerning marriages and births are to be known only to the
rulers, because disclosure could lead to rebellion among the guardians.
category: relationship
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:6
text: Festivals are proposed for bringing together brides and bridegrooms, with
sacrifices and hymeneal songs.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:7
text: The number of weddings is to be determined by rulers with the aim of preserving
the average population, while considering wars, diseases, and similar causes.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:8
text: Invented lots are proposed so that the less worthy will blame ill luck rather
than the rulers.
category: object
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: obs:9
text: Braver and better youths are to receive greater opportunities for intercourse
with women so that they may have as many sons as possible.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:10
text: Proper officers, male or female or both, are to take offspring of good parents
to a pen or fold and deposit them with nurses in a separate quarter.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: obs:11
text: Offspring of inferior parents, and deformed offspring of better parents, are
to be put away in a mysterious unknown place.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: obs:12
text: Mothers are brought to the fold when full of milk, with care taken that no
mother recognizes her own child.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: obs:13
text: Wet-nurses may be engaged, suckling is not to be too prolonged, and nurses
and attendants handle night care and other trouble.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: obs:14
text: Women may bear children for the State from age twenty to forty, and men may
beget children from age twenty-five to fifty-five.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: obs:15
text: Participation in public hymeneals outside the prescribed ages is described
as unholy and unrighteous.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: obs:16
text: A child conceived outside the prescribed ages is described as conceived under
unlike auspices and as an offspring of darkness and strange lust.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: obs:17
text: An unauthorized connection within the prescribed ages is said to produce a
bastard to the State, uncertified and unconsecrated.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:11
figures:
- id: fig:1
name_or_label: Socrates or speaking narrator
description: The speaker who proposes the regulations for rulers, marriages, births,
and child-rearing.
role_refs:
- role:1
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
- id: fig:2
name_or_label: Interlocutor
description: The respondent who agrees with the speaker’s proposals throughout the
passage.
role_refs:
- role:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:6
- ev:9
- id: fig:3
name_or_label: Rulers
description: The ruling group assigned discretion over deception, marriage regulations,
population numbers, and sanctioned unions.
role_refs:
- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:11
- id: fig:4
name_or_label: Guardians
description: The guardian class described as a herd or flock whose breeding and
purity are being regulated.
role_refs:
- role:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:7
- id: fig:5
name_or_label: Brides and bridegrooms
description: Participants brought together at public festivals for regulated unions.
role_refs:
- role:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: fig:6
name_or_label: Braver and better youth
description: Young men who are to receive greater access to women as a reward and
to produce many sons.
role_refs:
- role:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: fig:7
name_or_label: Proper officers
description: Male or female officers who take offspring to the fold and place them
with nurses.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: fig:8
name_or_label: Nurses, wet-nurses, and attendants
description: Caretakers who rear, suckle, and tend the children in place of the
mothers.
role_refs:
- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- ev:8
- id: fig:9
name_or_label: Mothers
description: Women brought to the fold when full of milk, while being prevented
from recognizing their own children.
role_refs:
- role:9
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: fig:10
name_or_label: Offspring
description: Children categorized by parental quality, deformity, sanction, age
rules, and consecration status.
role_refs:
- role:10
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:7
- ev:10
- ev:11
roles:
- id: role:1
label: Proposer of civic breeding regulations
assigned_to:
- fig:1
basis: The speaker introduces the rules for unions, lots, child placement, and sanctioned
reproduction.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:7
- id: role:2
label: Assenting respondent
assigned_to:
- fig:2
basis: The respondent repeatedly answers in agreement to the speaker’s proposals.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:6
- ev:9
- id: role:3
label: Secret regulators
assigned_to:
- fig:3
basis: The rulers alone know the concealed arrangements and control marriage, birth,
and authorization.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:11
- id: role:4
label: Regulated civic herd or flock
assigned_to:
- fig:4
basis: The guardians are compared to a herd or flock whose condition and purity
are to be maintained.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:7
- id: role:5
label: Ritual union participants
assigned_to:
- fig:5
basis: Brides and bridegrooms are brought together at festivals with sacrifices
and hymeneal songs.
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: role:6
label: Rewarded procreators
assigned_to:
- fig:6
basis: Braver and better youths receive greater opportunities with women so that
they may have many sons.
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: role:7
label: Child-placement officials
assigned_to:
- fig:7
basis: Officers remove offspring from parents and deposit them with nurses or elsewhere.
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: role:8
label: Substitute caretakers
assigned_to:
- fig:8
basis: Nurses, wet-nurses, and attendants provide nurture, suckling, and night care.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: role:9
label: Separated birth mothers
assigned_to:
- fig:9
basis: Mothers are brought for milk but prevented from recognizing their own children.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: role:10
label: Sorted children of the State
assigned_to:
- fig:10
basis: Children are classified for rearing, concealment, legitimacy, consecration,
or rejection according to the rules.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:7
- ev:10
- ev:11
symbols:
- id: sym:1
label: Medicinal falsehood
literal_form: falsehood and deceit described as medicines
associated_figures:
- fig:3
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: sym:2
label: Secret civic knowledge
literal_form: marriage and birth arrangements known only to rulers
associated_figures:
- fig:3
- fig:4
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: sym:3
label: Public hymeneals
literal_form: festivals joining brides and bridegrooms
associated_figures:
- fig:5
taxonomy_refs:
- sacred_marriage
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:10
- id: sym:4
label: Sacrifices and prayers
literal_form: sacrifices, prayers, and hymeneal songs offered for the new generation
associated_figures:
- fig:5
- fig:10
taxonomy_refs:
- sacrifice
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:10
- id: sym:5
label: Invented lots
literal_form: lots arranged so the less worthy blame ill luck
associated_figures:
- fig:3
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: sym:6
label: Pen or fold
literal_form: separate place where offspring of good parents are deposited with
nurses
associated_figures:
- fig:7
- fig:8
- fig:10
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: sym:7
label: Milk
literal_form: mothers full of milk brought to the fold for suckling
associated_figures:
- fig:9
- fig:10
taxonomy_refs:
- milk
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: sym:8
label: Mysterious unknown place
literal_form: place where inferior or deformed offspring are put away
associated_figures:
- fig:7
- fig:10
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: sym:9
label: Offspring of darkness
literal_form: child conceived outside proper ages described as offspring of darkness
and strange lust
associated_figures:
- fig:10
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: sym:10
label: Uncertified and unconsecrated child
literal_form: bastard to the State conceived without ruler sanction
associated_figures:
- fig:10
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:11
scenes:
- id: scene:1
label: Animal-breeding analogy
summary: The speaker and respondent discuss breeding the best animals at ripe age
and apply the principle to the human guardian class.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:4
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: scene:2
label: Rulers as medicinal deceivers
summary: The speaker says rulers will need to use falsehood and deceit like medicines
for the good of their subjects, especially in regulating marriage and birth.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:3
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
- sym:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- id: scene:3
label: Ritualized public unions under secret control
summary: Festivals with brides, bridegrooms, sacrifices, hymeneal songs, and manipulated
lots are proposed while rulers determine the number and distribution of unions.
figure_refs:
- fig:3
- fig:5
- fig:6
symbol_refs:
- sym:3
- sym:4
- sym:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:6
- id: scene:4
label: Separation and sorting of offspring
summary: Officers take approved offspring to the fold with nurses, put away inferior
or deformed offspring, and prevent mothers from recognizing their own children.
figure_refs:
- fig:7
- fig:8
- fig:9
- fig:10
symbol_refs:
- sym:6
- sym:7
- sym:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- ev:8
- id: scene:5
label: Age limits and consecrated legitimacy
summary: The passage defines reproductive ages and condemns reproduction outside
age limits or without ruler sanction as impious, unconsecrated, and illegitimate.
figure_refs:
- fig:3
- fig:10
symbol_refs:
- sym:3
- sym:4
- sym:9
- sym:10
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- ev:10
- ev:11
candidate_motifs:
- id: motif:1
label: Ritualized state-controlled marriage and procreation
taxonomy_refs:
- sacred_marriage
basis: The passage presents public hymeneals with sacrifices, prayers, and songs,
while rulers regulate which couples unite and how many weddings occur.
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:10
confidence: medium
cautions: The passage is a philosophical-political proposal, not a mythic narrative
of divine marriage; the taxonomy reference is based on ritualized marriage imagery
only.
- id: motif:2
label: Secret rule through beneficial deception
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: Rulers are said to use falsehood and deceit as medicine and to conceal the
true marriage arrangements from the guardians.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:5
confidence: high
cautions: This is presented as political reasoning rather than a mythic trickster
episode.
- id: motif:3
label: Selective preservation and removal of children
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: Offspring of approved parents are taken to nurses, while inferior or deformed
offspring are put away in an unknown place.
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- ev:8
confidence: high
cautions: The passage gives a civic breeding scheme; it does not narrate a miraculous
child or exposed hero pattern.
- id: motif:4
label: Consecrated versus unconsecrated birth
taxonomy_refs:
- sacred_birth
basis: Sanctioned hymeneals are accompanied by sacrifices and prayers for the new
generation, while unauthorized children are described as unconsecrated or offspring
of darkness.
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- ev:11
confidence: medium
cautions: The birth is sacralized by civic ritual language, but no divine parentage
or miraculous birth is described.
- id: motif:5
label: Maternal separation and collective nursing
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: Mothers are brought for milk but prevented from recognizing their own children,
with nurses and attendants assuming care.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
confidence: high
cautions: No further narrative development of the separated children appears in
this passage.
comparison_claims:
- id: claim:1
claim: The passage explicitly uses animal husbandry as a functional comparison for
regulating human reproduction in the guardian class.
claim_level: same_function
target: selective breeding of dogs, birds, horses, and animals generally
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:3
counter_evidence_refs: []
confidence: high
limitations: The comparison is analogical within the argument and should not be
treated as evidence of a mythic animal-transformation motif.
- id: claim:2
claim: The passage explicitly compares ruler deception to medicine administered
for the good of subjects.
claim_level: same_function
target: medical treatment used as an analogy for political falsehood and deceit
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
counter_evidence_refs: []
confidence: high
limitations: The claim concerns a stated analogy, not historical contact or a shared
mythic source.
- id: claim:3
claim: The passage’s public hymeneals with sacrifices and prayers resemble a ritualized
marriage pattern at the level of function and imagery.
claim_level: same_function
target: ritual marriage or sacred-marriage motif family
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:10
counter_evidence_refs: []
confidence: medium
limitations: The passage does not describe a divine couple or mythic sacred marriage;
it describes civic regulation of human unions.
evidence:
- id: ev:1
type: summary
locator: lines 15847-15873
quote_or_summary: The dialogue discusses breeding from the best animals of ripe
age and applies the same principle to humans.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:2
type: quote
locator: lines 15874-15891
quote_or_summary: Rulers will need a “considerable dose of falsehood and deceit”
for their subjects, treated as medicines that may be advantageous.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short excerpt.
- id: ev:3
type: summary
locator: lines 15892-15907
quote_or_summary: The best of each sex should be united often, the inferior seldom;
some offspring should be reared and others not; these matters must remain secret
from the guardians.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:4
type: summary
locator: lines 15908-15921
quote_or_summary: Festivals will bring brides and bridegrooms together with sacrifices
and hymeneal songs, while rulers determine wedding numbers to preserve population
balance amid war and disease.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:5
type: summary
locator: lines 15922-15927
quote_or_summary: Ingenious lots are to be invented so less worthy participants
blame ill luck rather than the rulers.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:6
type: summary
locator: lines 15928-15934
quote_or_summary: Braver and better young men are to receive greater opportunities
with women so that such fathers may have many sons.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:7
type: summary
locator: lines 15935-15951
quote_or_summary: Officers take offspring of good parents to the pen or fold with
nurses; inferior or deformed offspring are put away in a mysterious unknown place
to keep the guardians’ breed pure.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:8
type: summary
locator: lines 15952-15963
quote_or_summary: Mothers full of milk are brought to the fold, prevented from recognizing
their children, and aided or replaced by wet-nurses, nurses, and attendants.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:9
type: summary
locator: lines 15964-15979
quote_or_summary: Women may bear children for the State from twenty to forty; men
may beget children from twenty-five to fifty-five, described as the prime of physical
and intellectual vigor.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:10
type: summary
locator: lines 15980-15989
quote_or_summary: Those outside the prescribed ages who join public hymeneals act
unholily and unrighteously; their child is contrasted with offspring blessed by
sacrifices and prayers and called offspring of darkness and strange lust.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:11
type: summary
locator: lines 15990-15992
quote_or_summary: A sanctioned-age person who forms an unauthorized connection raises
a bastard to the State, uncertified and unconsecrated.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
confidence:
extraction: high
motif_candidates: medium
comparison_claims: medium
notes: Literal extraction is strong. Motif assignments are cautious because the
passage is philosophical and civic rather than a conventional mythic narrative.
reviewer_status:
status: needs_review
reviewer: ''
reviewed_at: ''
notes: Machine-generated draft from OpenAI Batch; not human-reviewed.
extracted_by: openai_batch:gpt-5.5
extracted_at: '2026-04-28'
notes: |-
All motifs and comparisons are limited to patterns directly supported by the supplied passage.
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