batch.motif.greek-plato-republic-jowett-gutenberg-l11969-l12129
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record_id: batch.motif.greek-plato-republic-jowett-gutenberg-l11969-l12129
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
passage_locator:
label: PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE. / BOOK I. / BOOK II. / BOOK III.; lines 11969-12129
start: '11969'
end: '12129'
translation: The Republic
notes: Generated from OpenAI Batch run motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority;
human review required.
canonical_text:
quote: truth should be highly valued
summary: The speaker argues that guardians and youth should not hear poetic representations
that encourage excessive laughter, lying by private persons, disobedience, sensual
indulgence, love of money, bribery, or impiety toward gods. He permits rulers
to use falsehood only for the public good and approves poetic examples of obedience,
temperance, and endurance.
language: English
quote_policy: quoted
literal_observations:
- id: obs:1
text: The speaker says guardians should not be given to laughter and that gods should
not be represented as overcome by laughter.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:2
text: The passage cites a Homeric description of inextinguishable laughter among
blessed gods when they see Hephaestus bustling in the mansion, and says such lines
should not be admitted.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:3
text: The speaker says truth should be highly valued and compares a lie useful to
men to a medicine restricted to physicians.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:4
text: The speaker allows rulers of the State to lie to enemies or citizens for the
public good, while denying this privilege to private individuals.
category: relationship
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:5
text: The speaker says a non-ruler who lies in the State should be punished for
introducing a practice destructive of ship or State.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:6
text: The passage identifies temperance with obedience to commanders and self-control
in sensual pleasures.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:7
text: The passage approves Homeric language in which Diomede tells a friend to sit
still and obey, and Greeks march in silent awe of leaders.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:8
text: The passage rejects impertinent speech by private persons to rulers as not
conducive to temperance.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:9
text: The passage rejects verses that glorify full tables, meat, bread, wine, and
the fear of dying from hunger as unfit for youth to hear.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:10
text: The passage recounts and rejects a tale in which Zeus forgets his plans through
lust for Here.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:11
text: The passage recounts and rejects a tale in which Hephaestus casts a chain
around Ares and Aphrodite because of similar goings on.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:12
text: The speaker says youth should see and hear deeds of endurance done or told
by famous men.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: obs:13
text: The passage approves a verse in which a man reproaches his heart and tells
it to endure because it has endured worse.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: obs:14
text: The speaker says youth must not become receivers of gifts or lovers of money.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:15
text: The passage rejects songs about gifts persuading gods and reverend kings.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:16
text: The passage rejects the view that Phoenix gave Achilles good counsel by advising
him to take Greek gifts before assisting them.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:17
text: The passage refuses to believe that Achilles took Agamemnon’s gifts or restored
Hector’s body only after receiving payment.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:18
text: The speaker rejects attributing insolent speech against Apollo to Achilles.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
figures:
- id: fig:1
name_or_label: Argumentative speaker
description: The first-person speaker sets rules for what guardians and youth should
or should not hear.
role_refs:
- role:1
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: fig:2
name_or_label: Responding interlocutor
description: The interlocutor repeatedly agrees with the speaker’s proposed standards.
role_refs:
- role:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:6
- id: fig:3
name_or_label: Guardians and youth
description: The intended trainees whose exposure to poetry and representations
is being regulated.
role_refs:
- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:6
- id: fig:4
name_or_label: Rulers of the State
description: Those permitted to lie in dealings with enemies or citizens for the
public good.
role_refs:
- role:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- id: fig:5
name_or_label: Private individuals and craftsmen
description: Non-rulers, including craftsmen such as priest, physician, or carpenter,
who are forbidden to lie to the rulers.
role_refs:
- role:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- id: fig:6
name_or_label: Homeric divine figures
description: 'Gods and named divine figures used as poetic examples: Hephaestus,
Zeus, Here, Ares, Aphrodite, and Apollo.'
role_refs:
- role:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:4
- ev:7
- id: fig:7
name_or_label: Homeric heroic and human figures
description: 'Named heroic or human figures cited in poetic examples: Diomede, Greeks,
Phoenix, Achilles, Agamemnon, and Hector.'
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: fig:8
name_or_label: Famous men of endurance
description: Famous men whose deeds or sayings of endurance are approved for youth
to see and hear.
role_refs:
- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
roles:
- id: role:1
label: educational lawgiver in argument
assigned_to:
- fig:1
basis: The speaker decides which poetic representations should be admitted or rejected
for guardians and youth.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:6
- id: role:2
label: assenting interlocutor
assigned_to:
- fig:2
basis: The interlocutor answers with agreement to the speaker’s claims.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:2
- ev:5
- id: role:3
label: moral trainees
assigned_to:
- fig:3
basis: Guardians and youth are described as needing temperance, truth-discipline,
and approved examples.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:3
- ev:5
- ev:6
- id: role:4
label: authorized civic deceivers
assigned_to:
- fig:4
basis: Rulers alone may lie for the public good in dealings with enemies or citizens.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: role:5
label: unauthorized private liars
assigned_to:
- fig:5
basis: Private persons are forbidden to lie to rulers and may be punished for such
conduct.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: role:6
label: rejected divine exempla
assigned_to:
- fig:6
basis: Divine laughter, lust, adultery-entrapment, and insolence toward Apollo are
treated as unsuitable representations.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:4
- ev:7
- id: role:7
label: poetic heroic exempla under review
assigned_to:
- fig:7
basis: Human and heroic figures are cited either as approved examples of obedience
or rejected examples involving gifts, payment, and insolence.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: role:8
label: approved endurance exemplars
assigned_to:
- fig:8
basis: The passage says youth should see and hear famous men’s deeds of endurance.
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
symbols:
- id: sym:1
label: excessive laughter
literal_form: laughter among guardians or blessed gods
associated_figures:
- fig:3
- fig:6
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: sym:2
label: lie as medicine
literal_form: a lie useful to men compared to medicine restricted to physicians
associated_figures:
- fig:1
- fig:4
- fig:5
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: sym:3
label: ship and State
literal_form: ship and State used as images of order that lying can subvert or destroy
associated_figures:
- fig:4
- fig:5
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: sym:4
label: feast and wine
literal_form: tables full of bread and meat, cup-bearer, bowl, cups, and wine
associated_figures:
- fig:3
- fig:7
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: sym:5
label: chain around adulterous gods
literal_form: a chain cast around Ares and Aphrodite by Hephaestus
associated_figures:
- fig:6
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: sym:6
label: persuasive gifts and payment
literal_form: gifts persuading gods and kings; gifts of the Greeks; payment for
Hector’s body
associated_figures:
- fig:6
- fig:7
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: sym:7
label: enduring heart
literal_form: a man smites his breast and tells his heart to endure
associated_figures:
- fig:8
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
scenes:
- id: scene:1
label: Exclusion of divine and guardian laughter
summary: The speaker argues that guardians and gods should not be represented as
overcome by excessive laughter and rejects a Homeric divine laughter scene.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
- fig:6
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: scene:2
label: Regulation of truth and civic falsehood
summary: Truth is valued, lying is compared to a medicine, and only rulers are permitted
to lie for the public good while private lies are punishable.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:4
- fig:5
symbol_refs:
- sym:2
- sym:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: scene:3
label: Temperance through obedience and controlled speech
summary: Temperance is defined as obedience and self-control; poetic lines of obedience
are accepted and impertinent speech to rulers is rejected.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
- fig:4
- fig:5
- fig:7
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: scene:4
label: Rejection of sensual divine and heroic narratives
summary: Verses glorifying feast and wine, a tale of Zeus’s lust for Here, and Hephaestus
chaining Ares and Aphrodite are rejected as unsuitable for youth.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
- fig:6
- fig:7
symbol_refs:
- sym:4
- sym:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: scene:5
label: Approval of endurance exempla
summary: The speaker approves deeds and sayings of endurance, including a line in
which a man commands his heart to endure.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
- fig:8
symbol_refs:
- sym:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: scene:6
label: Rejection of gifts, money-love, and impiety
summary: The speaker rejects poetic claims that gifts persuade gods and kings, rejects
stories of Achilles acting for gifts or payment, and rejects insolent speech toward
Apollo.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
- fig:6
- fig:7
symbol_refs:
- sym:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- ev:7
candidate_motifs:
- id: motif:1
label: poetic censorship for moral formation
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The passage repeatedly decides which stories, verses, and representations
guardians or youth should be allowed to hear.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:3
- ev:4
- ev:5
- ev:6
confidence: high
cautions: This is a philosophical educational pattern rather than a narrative mythic
episode.
- id: motif:2
label: authorized falsehood for civic good
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The passage states that rulers may lie to enemies or citizens for the public
good, while everyone else is forbidden to do so.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
confidence: high
cautions: The passage frames this as political ethics, not as a mythic story.
- id: motif:3
label: temperance as obedience and self-control
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: Temperance is identified with obedience to commanders and control of sensual
pleasures, and poetry is evaluated by whether it supports that discipline.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:4
confidence: high
cautions: No external motif taxonomy is directly invoked by the passage.
- id: motif:4
label: rejected morally flawed gods
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The passage rejects representations of gods laughing excessively, being overcome
by lust, committing sexual misconduct, or receiving insolent speech.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:4
- ev:7
confidence: high
cautions: The passage reports and evaluates Homeric material rather than narrating
the myths for their own sake.
- id: motif:5
label: endurance through address to the heart
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The approved line presents a figure who smites his breast and commands his
heart to endure worse suffering.
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
confidence: medium
cautions: The figure is not named in the supplied passage.
- id: motif:6
label: gifts persuading gods and kings
taxonomy_refs:
- sacred_exchange
basis: The passage cites and rejects songs about gifts persuading gods and kings,
along with stories of Achilles acting for gifts or payment.
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
confidence: medium
cautions: The taxonomy link is limited because the passage treats the exchange as
morally corrupting rather than as a positive sacred transaction.
comparison_claims: []
evidence:
- id: ev:1
type: summary
locator: 11969-11986
quote_or_summary: The speaker rejects excessive laughter for guardians and gods,
including Homer’s scene of inextinguishable laughter among blessed gods at Hephaestus.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summarized with brief quoted phrase.
- id: ev:2
type: summary
locator: 11987-12012
quote_or_summary: Truth is valued; lies are compared to medicine. Rulers may lie
for the public good, but private persons who lie to rulers may be punished for
harming ship or State.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summary.
- id: ev:3
type: summary
locator: 12013-12036
quote_or_summary: Youth must be temperate; temperance includes obedience to commanders
and self-control. Lines of obedience are approved, while impertinent speech to
rulers is rejected.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summary.
- id: ev:4
type: summary
locator: 12037-12063
quote_or_summary: The speaker rejects passages praising tables, meat, bread, and
wine, and rejects tales of Zeus’s lust for Here and Hephaestus chaining Ares and
Aphrodite.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summary.
- id: ev:5
type: summary
locator: 12064-12070
quote_or_summary: The speaker approves famous men’s deeds and sayings of endurance,
including a line where a man reproaches his heart and tells it to endure.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summary.
- id: ev:6
type: summary
locator: 12071-12095
quote_or_summary: The speaker rejects love of money, songs about gifts persuading
gods and kings, Phoenix’s advice to Achilles about Greek gifts, and stories of
Achilles acting for gifts or payment.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summary.
- id: ev:7
type: summary
locator: 12096-12129
quote_or_summary: The speaker says he cannot accept attributing insolence toward
Apollo to Achilles.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source metadata; summary.
confidence:
extraction: high
motif_candidates: medium
comparison_claims: uncertain
notes: The passage is didactic-philosophical and evaluates Homeric material; motif
labels are therefore candidate patterns rather than claims of independent mythic
episodes. No comparison claims were added beyond the supplied passage.
reviewer_status:
status: needs_review
reviewer: ''
reviewed_at: ''
notes: Machine-generated draft from OpenAI Batch; not human-reviewed.
extracted_by: openai_batch:gpt-5.5
extracted_at: '2026-04-28'
notes: |-
Used only the supplied passage and metadata. Internal evidence line ranges are approximate subdivisions within the provided stable line range.
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