batch.motif.greek-plato-republic-jowett-gutenberg-l11782-l11797
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record_id: batch.motif.greek-plato-republic-jowett-gutenberg-l11782-l11797
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
passage_locator:
label: THE REPUBLIC. / PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE. / BOOK I. / BOOK II.; lines 11782-11797
start: '11782'
end: '11797'
translation: The Republic
notes: Generated from OpenAI Batch run motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority;
human review required.
canonical_text:
quote: ''
summary: A quoted lament says that a prophetic song promised long-lived, healthy
offspring and heavenly blessing, but the same singer later killed the speaker's
son. The dialogue then rejects such sentiments about the gods for education, saying
their utterers should not receive a chorus and teachers should not use them with
the young; the goal is for guardians to be true worshippers and as godlike as
possible. The respondent agrees to make these principles laws.
language: English
quote_policy: summarized
literal_observations:
- id: obs:1
text: A song celebrates the speaker's fair progeny, saying their days would be long
and free from sickness.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:2
text: The speaker trusts the word of Phoebus as divine and prophetic.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:3
text: The speaker says the same person who uttered the song and was present at the
banquet has slain the speaker's son.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:4
text: The dialogue says such sentiments about the gods will arouse anger.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:5
text: A person who utters such sentiments is to be refused a chorus.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:6
text: Teachers are not to use such sentiments in instructing the young.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:7
text: The intended guardians should be true worshippers of the gods and as like
them as men can be.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:8
text: The respondent agrees with the principles and promises to make them laws.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
figures:
- id: fig:1
name_or_label: lamenting speaker
description: The quoted speaker whose progeny were praised and whose son was slain.
role_refs:
- role:1
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: fig:2
name_or_label: Phoebus
description: Named as the source of a divine and prophetic word.
role_refs:
- role:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: fig:3
name_or_label: singer and slayer
description: The person who uttered the song, was present at the banquet, and is
said to have slain the speaker's son.
role_refs:
- role:3
- role:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: fig:4
name_or_label: slain son
description: The son whom the lamenting speaker says was slain.
role_refs:
- role:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: fig:5
name_or_label: the gods
description: Divine beings about whom certain sentiments are rejected; guardians
are to be worshippers of them and like them.
role_refs:
- role:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: fig:6
name_or_label: teachers
description: Teachers who are not to use the rejected sentiments in instructing
the young.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: fig:7
name_or_label: the young
description: The intended recipients of instruction from which the rejected sentiments
are excluded.
role_refs:
- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: fig:8
name_or_label: guardians
description: The intended class who should become true worshippers of the gods and
like them as far as men can be.
role_refs:
- role:9
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: fig:9
name_or_label: respondent
description: The speaker who agrees with the principles and promises to make them
laws.
role_refs:
- role:10
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
roles:
- id: role:1
label: bereaved speaker
assigned_to:
- fig:1
basis: The speaker says the singer has slain 'my son.'
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: role:2
label: divine prophetic authority
assigned_to:
- fig:2
basis: Phoebus's word is called divine and full of prophecy.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: role:3
label: prophetic singer
assigned_to:
- fig:3
basis: The figure uttered the celebratory strain about the speaker's progeny.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: role:4
label: killer of the son
assigned_to:
- fig:3
basis: The speaker identifies the same figure as the one who has slain the son.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: role:5
label: victim
assigned_to:
- fig:4
basis: The son is described as slain.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: role:6
label: objects of worship and representation
assigned_to:
- fig:5
basis: The passage concerns sentiments about gods and the guardians' worship of
them.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: role:7
label: educational gatekeepers
assigned_to:
- fig:6
basis: Teachers are forbidden to use the rejected sentiments in instruction.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: role:8
label: students
assigned_to:
- fig:7
basis: The young are the recipients of the instruction mentioned.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: role:9
label: intended pious class
assigned_to:
- fig:8
basis: Guardians are to be true worshippers of the gods and like them as far as
possible.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: role:10
label: assenting lawgiver
assigned_to:
- fig:9
basis: The respondent agrees and promises to make the principles laws.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
symbols:
- id: sym:1
label: prophetic song
literal_form: song or strain celebrating long-lived progeny and heavenly blessing
associated_figures:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: sym:2
label: chorus
literal_form: chorus to be refused to one who utters rejected sentiments
associated_figures:
- fig:3
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: sym:3
label: laws
literal_form: principles promised to be made into laws
associated_figures:
- fig:9
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
scenes:
- id: scene:1
label: Lament over fulfilled loss after prophetic blessing
summary: A quoted speaker recalls a song promising healthy and long-lived progeny,
trusts Phoebus's prophetic word, and then says the singer himself killed the speaker's
son.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
- fig:4
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: scene:2
label: Rejection of impious educational material
summary: The dialogue rejects such statements about the gods, excludes their utterers
from a chorus, and bars teachers from using them with the young so that guardians
may become proper worshippers of the gods.
figure_refs:
- fig:5
- fig:6
- fig:7
- fig:8
symbol_refs:
- sym:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: scene:3
label: Agreement to legislate principles
summary: The respondent agrees with the principles and promises to make them laws.
figure_refs:
- fig:9
symbol_refs:
- sym:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
candidate_motifs:
- id: motif:1
label: prophetic blessing contradicted by violent loss
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The passage places a divine prophetic promise of blessed, healthy progeny
beside the later slaying of the speaker's son by the singer who uttered the promise.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
confidence: medium
cautions: The passage reports the sentiment as an example to be rejected, not as
an endorsed mythic episode.
- id: motif:2
label: regulation of divine stories for youth education
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The dialogue forbids teachers to use certain sentiments about the gods in
the instruction of the young and links this to forming guardians as true worshippers.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
confidence: high
cautions: This is a philosophical-educational rule rather than a narrative mythic
event.
- id: motif:3
label: principles transformed into law
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The respondent agrees to make the stated educational principles laws.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
confidence: medium
cautions: The legal transformation is stated briefly and without narrative elaboration.
comparison_claims: []
evidence:
- id: ev:1
type: summary
locator: 11782-11788
quote_or_summary: A quoted lament recalls a song praising the speaker's fair progeny
as long-lived and free of sickness, trusts Phoebus's divine prophecy, and says
the singer who was at the banquet has slain the speaker's son.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summary supplied.
- id: ev:2
type: summary
locator: 11790-11795
quote_or_summary: The dialogue says such sentiments about the gods arouse anger;
their utterer is to be refused a chorus, and teachers may not use them for the
young, because guardians should be true worshippers of the gods and like them
as far as men can be.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summary supplied.
- id: ev:3
type: quote
locator: '11797'
quote_or_summary: '"I entirely agree, he said, in these principles, and promise
to make them my laws."'
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/republic-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short quote supplied.
confidence:
extraction: high
motif_candidates: medium
comparison_claims: high
notes: Literal extraction is straightforward. Motif labels are candidate abstractions
from a philosophical passage and should be reviewed for taxonomy fit. No comparison
claims are made because the passage itself does not support cross-textual comparison.
reviewer_status:
status: needs_review
reviewer: ''
reviewed_at: ''
notes: Machine-generated draft from OpenAI Batch; not human-reviewed.
extracted_by: openai_batch:gpt-5.5
extracted_at: '2026-04-28'
notes: |-
Used only the supplied passage and metadata; no external identification of the quoted tragic material was added.
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