batch.motif.greek-plato-phaedrus-jowett-gutenberg-l3663-l3779
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record_id: batch.motif.greek-plato-phaedrus-jowett-gutenberg-l3663-l3779
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
passage_locator:
label: PHAEDRUS / INTRODUCTION. / ON THE DECLINE OF GREEK LITERATURE. / PHAEDRUS;
lines 3663-3779
start: '3663'
end: '3779'
translation: Phaedrus
notes: Generated from OpenAI Batch run motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority;
human review required.
canonical_text:
quote: the dialectician, who, finding a congenial soul, by the help of science sows
and plants therein words
summary: Socrates and Phaedrus conclude a discussion of rhetoric, writing, and dialectic.
Socrates praises the dialectician who implants living words in receptive souls,
states that true rhetorical art requires knowledge of truth and of different soul-types,
criticizes overconfidence in written compositions, calls oral principles graven
in the soul the true writing, reports a message from the Nymphs to writers, distinguishes
philosophers from mere poets, orators, and law-makers, reserves the name wise
for God alone, and begins to prophesy about Isocrates.
language: English
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literal_observations:
- id: obs:1
text: Socrates describes the serious dialectician as one who finds a congenial soul
and sows or plants words there with the help of science.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:2
text: The planted words are said to contain seed, to be fruitful, and to become
immortal when brought up by others in different soils.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:3
text: Socrates says artful handling of arguments requires knowing the truth, defining
and dividing subjects, discerning the nature of the soul, and adapting discourse
to different natures.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:4
text: Socrates says a writer who lacks knowledge of justice, injustice, good, and
evil cannot distinguish dream from reality.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:5
text: Socrates says even the best writings are reminders of what is known, while
orally communicated principles graven in the soul are the true way of writing.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:6
text: Socrates says he and Phaedrus went down to the fountain and school of the
Nymphs and were bidden by them to carry a message to composers of speeches, poets,
and law-writers.
category: sequence
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- ev:5
- id: obs:7
text: Socrates says those who can defend their writings by spoken arguments deserve
the title philosophers rather than merely poets, orators, or legislators.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:8
text: Socrates refuses to call such people wise, saying that the great name belongs
to God alone.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: obs:9
text: Phaedrus asks what message Socrates will send to Isocrates, and Socrates says
he is willing to hazard a prophecy about him.
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name_or_label: Socrates
description: Speaker who summarizes the argument, evaluates rhetoric and writing,
reports the Nymphs' message, assigns the title philosopher, and begins a prophecy
about Isocrates.
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- role:1
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:5
- ev:6
- ev:8
- id: fig:2
name_or_label: Phaedrus
description: Interlocutor who agrees with Socrates, asks for clarification, and
asks about Isocrates.
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- ev:2
- ev:8
- id: fig:3
name_or_label: the dialectician
description: A serious pursuer who finds a congenial soul and plants words in it
by science.
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- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: fig:4
name_or_label: Lysias
description: A writer and companion of Phaedrus whose speeches and rhetorical skill
have been censured and discussed.
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- role:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- ev:5
- id: fig:5
name_or_label: composers of speeches, poets, and law-writers
description: A group including speech composers, Homer and other poets, Solon and
others who wrote political discourses or laws; Socrates says they are to receive
a message.
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- ev:5
- ev:6
- id: fig:6
name_or_label: the Nymphs
description: Figures associated with the fountain and school; Socrates says they
bade him and Phaedrus to convey a message.
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- ev:5
- id: fig:7
name_or_label: God
description: The one to whom Socrates says the name wise properly belongs.
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- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: fig:8
name_or_label: Isocrates
description: Described by Phaedrus as fair and by Socrates as still young; Socrates
is willing to prophesy concerning him.
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evidence_refs:
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label: philosophical teacher and evaluator
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- fig:1
basis: Socrates restates the requirements of true art, judges writing and rhetoric,
and names the suitable title for serious practitioners.
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- ev:2
- ev:6
- ev:7
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basis: Phaedrus answers Socrates, asks what conclusion is meant, and raises Isocrates
as a further subject.
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- ev:2
- ev:8
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label: planter of living words
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- fig:3
basis: The dialectician is said to sow and plant words in a receptive soul.
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label: censured speech-writer
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- fig:4
basis: Socrates recalls that Lysias and his art of writing and discourses were censured
and examined.
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- ev:9
- id: role:5
label: recipients of philosophical message
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- fig:5
basis: Socrates instructs Phaedrus to tell speech composers, poets, and law-writers
the conditions under which they deserve a higher title.
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- ev:5
- ev:6
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label: divine or sacred message-givers
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basis: Socrates says the Nymphs bade them convey a message from the fountain and
school.
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- ev:5
- id: role:7
label: messenger from the Nymphs
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- fig:1
- fig:2
basis: Socrates says he and Phaedrus were bidden to convey the message.
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label: sole bearer of the name wise
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- fig:7
basis: Socrates says the name wise is a great name belonging to God alone.
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- ev:7
- id: role:9
label: subject of prophecy
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- fig:8
basis: Socrates says he is willing to hazard a prophecy concerning young Isocrates.
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- ev:8
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- id: sym:1
label: seed of words
literal_form: words with seed sown and planted in souls
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- ev:1
- id: sym:2
label: soul as receptive soil
literal_form: congenial soul and different soils where words are brought up
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- fig:3
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- ev:1
- id: sym:3
label: written word as reminder
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- fig:1
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evidence_refs:
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- id: sym:4
label: true writing in the soul
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in the soul
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- fig:1
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evidence_refs:
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label: fountain and school of the Nymphs
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- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:6
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- water
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: sym:6
label: dream and reality
literal_form: the dream and the reality as things to be distinguished
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- fig:1
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
scenes:
- id: scene:1
label: Dialectician plants living words
summary: Socrates praises the dialectician who plants words in a suitable soul;
these words have seed, bear fruit, and make later possessors happy.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:3
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
- sym:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: scene:2
label: Requirements of rhetorical art
summary: Socrates states that true art in speech or writing requires truth, definition,
division, knowledge of the soul, and appropriate arrangement of discourse for
different natures.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: scene:3
label: Censure of overconfident writing
summary: Socrates says that anyone who treats written political work as clear and
certain while lacking knowledge of ethical matters is disgraced and cannot distinguish
dream from reality.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:4
- fig:5
symbol_refs:
- sym:3
- sym:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:9
- id: scene:4
label: True writing graven in the soul
summary: Socrates distinguishes ordinary writings as reminders from orally taught
principles graven in the soul, which he calls the true way of writing and legitimate
offspring.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
symbol_refs:
- sym:3
- sym:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: scene:5
label: Message from the Nymphs
summary: Socrates tells Phaedrus to report that at the fountain and school of the
Nymphs they were instructed to carry a message to speech writers, poets, and law-writers.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:5
- fig:6
symbol_refs:
- sym:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: scene:6
label: Naming philosophers rather than wise men
summary: Socrates says writers who can defend their compositions through spoken
arguments merit the title lovers of wisdom or philosophers, while the title wise
belongs to God alone.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:5
- fig:7
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: scene:7
label: Question about Isocrates
summary: Phaedrus asks what message should be sent to Isocrates, and Socrates says
he will hazard a prophecy about him.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:8
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
candidate_motifs:
- id: motif:1
label: Wisdom reserved for the divine and pursued by humans
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- wisdom
basis: Socrates says the name wise belongs to God alone and that the modest title
for suitable humans is lovers of wisdom or philosophers.
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
confidence: high
cautions: The passage frames this as a philosophical naming distinction, not as
a narrative myth episode.
- id: motif:2
label: Teaching as planting seed in the soul
taxonomy_refs:
- wisdom
basis: The dialectician is described as sowing and planting words in a congenial
soul; these words bear seed and are raised in other soils.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
confidence: medium
cautions: The seed and soil imagery is metaphorical within a philosophical argument;
no available taxonomy symbol directly corresponds to seed or planting.
- id: motif:3
label: Living knowledge versus written reminder
taxonomy_refs:
- wisdom
basis: Socrates contrasts writings as reminiscences with orally communicated principles
graven in the soul as the true way of writing.
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
confidence: medium
cautions: This is an epistemological contrast rather than a full mythic narrative
pattern.
- id: motif:4
label: Distinguishing dream from reality
taxonomy_refs:
- duality
basis: Socrates says failure to know justice, injustice, good, and evil leaves a
writer unable to distinguish dream from reality.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
confidence: medium
cautions: The dream/reality opposition is a brief evaluative contrast and is not
elaborated as a dream-vision narrative.
- id: motif:5
label: Sacred place as source of instruction
taxonomy_refs:
- wisdom
basis: Socrates says he and Phaedrus went down to the fountain and school of the
Nymphs and were bidden by them to convey a message.
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
confidence: medium
cautions: The passage alludes to the Nymphs and their place as a source of a message,
but does not narrate a full theophany or ritual scene.
comparison_claims: []
evidence:
- id: ev:1
type: quote
locator: 3663-3670
quote_or_summary: Socrates says the dialectician, finding a congenial soul, “sows
and plants therein words” that contain seed and become fruitful in other soils.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; short excerpt used for extraction.
- id: ev:2
type: summary
locator: 3685-3698
quote_or_summary: Socrates says one must know truth, define and divide subjects,
discern the soul's nature, and adapt simple or complex speech to simple or complex
natures to handle arguments by art.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; summarized.
- id: ev:3
type: quote
locator: 3705-3715
quote_or_summary: Socrates says that lacking knowledge of justice, injustice, good,
and evil, and being unable “to distinguish the dream from the reality,” is disgraceful
in a writer.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; short excerpt used for extraction.
- id: ev:4
type: summary
locator: 3718-3735
quote_or_summary: Socrates says the best writings are reminders, while principles
of justice, goodness, and nobility taught orally and graven in the soul are the
true way of writing and legitimate offspring.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; summarized.
- id: ev:5
type: quote
locator: 3739-3751
quote_or_summary: Socrates says, “to the fountain and school of the Nymphs we went
down,” and that the Nymphs bade them convey a message to speech composers, poets,
and law-writers.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; short excerpt used for extraction.
- id: ev:6
type: summary
locator: 3749-3760
quote_or_summary: Socrates says writers whose works are based on truth and can be
defended by spoken argument deserve a higher name than poet, orator, or legislator.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; summarized.
- id: ev:7
type: quote
locator: 3762-3765
quote_or_summary: Socrates says, “Wise, I may not call them; for that is a great
name which belongs to God alone,” and calls them lovers of wisdom or philosophers.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; short excerpt used for extraction.
- id: ev:8
type: summary
locator: 3772-3779
quote_or_summary: Phaedrus asks about Isocrates the fair; Socrates says Isocrates
is still young and he is willing to hazard a prophecy concerning him.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; summarized.
- id: ev:9
type: summary
locator: 3674-3682
quote_or_summary: Socrates says the discussion concerned Lysias, his art of writing,
his discourses, and whether rhetorical skill or lack of skill appeared in them.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain translation; summarized.
confidence:
extraction: high
motif_candidates: medium
comparison_claims: high
notes: The passage is explicit about figures, arguments, and imagery. Motif identification
is cautious because most material is philosophical metaphor rather than narrative
myth. No comparison claims were made because the passage itself does not support
an external comparison.
reviewer_status:
status: needs_review
reviewer: ''
reviewed_at: ''
notes: Machine-generated draft from OpenAI Batch; not human-reviewed.
extracted_by: openai_batch:gpt-5.5
extracted_at: '2026-04-28'
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