batch.motif.greek-plato-phaedrus-jowett-gutenberg-l1412-l1536
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record_id: batch.motif.greek-plato-phaedrus-jowett-gutenberg-l1412-l1536
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
passage_locator:
label: PHAEDRUS / INTRODUCTION. / ON THE DECLINE OF GREEK LITERATURE. / PHAEDRUS;
lines 1412-1536
start: '1412'
end: '1536'
translation: Phaedrus
notes: Generated from OpenAI Batch run motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority;
human review required.
canonical_text:
quote: ''
summary: Socrates meets Phaedrus outside Athens and asks where he has been. Phaedrus
says he has been with Lysias and is going for a walk. They discuss Lysias's speech
about accepting a non-lover rather than a lover. Socrates suspects Phaedrus has
the written discourse hidden under his cloak. They go by the Ilissus to sit under
a plane-tree, and Phaedrus asks whether this is the place where Boreas is said
to have carried off Orithyia.
language: English
quote_policy: summarized
literal_observations:
- id: obs:1
text: The named dialogue participants are Socrates and Phaedrus.
category: relationship
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:2
text: The scene is placed under a plane-tree by the banks of the Ilissus.
category: setting
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:3
text: Phaedrus says he comes from Lysias, son of Cephalus, and is walking outside
the wall after sitting with him during the morning.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:4
text: Phaedrus reports that Lysias wrote about a fair youth being tempted, not by
a lover, and argued that the non-lover should be accepted rather than the lover.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:5
text: Socrates infers that Phaedrus has the actual discourse as a roll hidden in
his left hand under his cloak.
category: object
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: obs:6
text: Socrates and Phaedrus decide to go by the Ilissus and sit in a quiet spot.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: obs:7
text: Phaedrus describes the route along the brook as a way to cool their feet in
the water at midday in summer.
category: setting
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:8
text: Phaedrus identifies a tall plane-tree with shade, gentle breezes, and grass
where they may sit or lie down.
category: setting
evidence_refs:
- ev:7
- id: obs:9
text: Phaedrus asks whether this place is where Boreas is said to have carried off
Orithyia from the banks of the Ilissus.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: obs:10
text: Socrates says the tradition places the spot lower down near the crossing to
the temple of Artemis, with some sort of altar of Boreas there.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
figures:
- id: fig:1
name_or_label: Socrates
description: One of the two dialogue participants; he questions Phaedrus, recognizes
the hidden roll, and directs the walk by the Ilissus.
role_refs:
- role:1
- role:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:4
- ev:5
- id: fig:2
name_or_label: Phaedrus
description: One of the two dialogue participants; he has come from Lysias, carries
or has access to Lysias's discourse, and raises the local tradition about Boreas
and Orithyia.
role_refs:
- role:1
- role:3
- role:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:2
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: fig:3
name_or_label: Lysias son of Cephalus
description: An absent speaker and writer whose discourse about love and non-love
Phaedrus has heard or brought.
role_refs:
- role:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
- id: fig:4
name_or_label: Boreas
description: A figure in the local tradition, said to have carried off Orithyia
from the banks of the Ilissus; Socrates mentions an altar of Boreas near the traditional
place.
role_refs:
- role:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- ev:9
- id: fig:5
name_or_label: Orithyia
description: A figure in the local tradition, said to have been carried off by Boreas
from the banks of the Ilissus.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: fig:6
name_or_label: Artemis
description: Named in reference to a temple near the place associated with the Boreas
tradition.
role_refs:
- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
roles:
- id: role:1
label: dialogue participant
assigned_to:
- fig:1
- fig:2
basis: The passage lists Socrates and Phaedrus as the persons of the dialogue.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: role:2
label: questioner and guide
assigned_to:
- fig:1
basis: Socrates questions Phaedrus, detects the hidden roll, and suggests turning
aside by the Ilissus.
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:5
- id: role:3
label: bearer of discourse
assigned_to:
- fig:2
basis: Phaedrus has heard Lysias's discourse and is suspected of holding the actual
discourse under his cloak.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:4
- id: role:4
label: local-tradition inquirer
assigned_to:
- fig:2
basis: Phaedrus asks whether the place is where Boreas is said to have carried off
Orithyia.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: role:5
label: absent rhetorician
assigned_to:
- fig:3
basis: Lysias is described as composing or providing the discourse that Phaedrus
reports.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:4
- id: role:6
label: mythic abductor in reported tradition
assigned_to:
- fig:4
basis: Boreas is said to have carried off Orithyia.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: role:7
label: carried-off maiden in reported tradition
assigned_to:
- fig:5
basis: Orithyia is named as the one carried off by Boreas.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: role:8
label: deity associated with nearby temple
assigned_to:
- fig:6
basis: Socrates locates the traditional place near the crossing to the temple of
Artemis.
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
symbols:
- id: sym:1
label: plane-tree
literal_form: The plane-tree under or near which the dialogue scene is set; Phaedrus
later points out the tallest plane-tree with shade.
associated_figures:
- fig:1
- fig:2
taxonomy_refs:
- tree
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:7
- id: sym:2
label: Ilissus water
literal_form: The banks of the Ilissus, a brook, and a clear bright stream where
the walkers may cool their feet.
associated_figures:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:4
- fig:5
taxonomy_refs:
- water
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:6
- ev:8
- id: sym:3
label: written roll
literal_form: A roll, suspected to be the actual discourse of Lysias, hidden under
Phaedrus's cloak.
associated_figures:
- fig:2
- fig:3
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: sym:4
label: cloak
literal_form: Phaedrus's cloak, under which Socrates suspects the roll is held.
associated_figures:
- fig:2
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: sym:5
label: altar of Boreas
literal_form: Some sort of altar of Boreas near the place Socrates identifies as
connected with the tradition.
associated_figures:
- fig:4
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: sym:6
label: temple of Artemis
literal_form: The temple of Artemis near the crossing lower down from the place
Phaedrus first asks about.
associated_figures:
- fig:6
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
scenes:
- id: scene:1
label: Meeting and destination
summary: Socrates meets Phaedrus and asks where he is coming from and going; Phaedrus
says he has been with Lysias and is taking a walk outside the wall.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: scene:2
label: Report of Lysias's love discourse
summary: Phaedrus explains that Lysias's topic was love, specifically the argument
that a non-lover should be accepted rather than a lover.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: scene:3
label: Hidden roll disclosed
summary: Socrates suspects Phaedrus has the actual discourse under his cloak, and
Phaedrus concedes that he cannot practice his art on Socrates and will read.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:3
symbol_refs:
- sym:3
- sym:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: scene:4
label: Choosing the shaded riverside place
summary: The two turn aside by the Ilissus, walk along the brook, and identify a
shaded plane-tree with breezes and grass as a place to sit or lie down.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
- sym:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: scene:5
label: Local tradition of Boreas and Orithyia
summary: Phaedrus asks whether the nearby place is where Boreas is said to have
carried off Orithyia from the Ilissus; Socrates locates the tradition lower down
near the temple of Artemis and an altar of Boreas.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:4
- fig:5
- fig:6
symbol_refs:
- sym:2
- sym:5
- sym:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- ev:9
candidate_motifs:
- id: motif:1
label: carrying off of a maiden by a mythic figure
taxonomy_refs:
- stolen_beloved
basis: The passage reports a tradition in which Boreas carried off Orithyia from
the banks of the Ilissus.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
confidence: high
cautions: The passage only alludes to the tradition and does not narrate the event
in detail.
- id: motif:2
label: sacred or myth-marked landscape
taxonomy_refs: []
basis: The riverside place is connected with a named tradition, a nearby temple
of Artemis, and an altar of Boreas.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- ev:9
confidence: medium
cautions: No explicit taxonomy reference is supplied for sacred landscape; the identification
rests on the passage's place markers.
- id: motif:3
label: wisdom-bearing written discourse
taxonomy_refs:
- wisdom
basis: The passage centers on the carrying, reading, and discussion of a composed
discourse attributed to Lysias.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- ev:4
confidence: low
cautions: The discourse is rhetorical and erotic rather than explicitly mythic or
sapiential; the wisdom taxonomy link is tentative.
comparison_claims: []
evidence:
- id: ev:1
type: quote
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: 'PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: Socrates, Phaedrus. SCENE: Under a plane-tree,
by the banks of the Ilissus.'
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short excerpt used.
- id: ev:2
type: summary
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Phaedrus says he comes from Lysias son of Cephalus and is going
to walk outside the wall after sitting with him all morning.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:3
type: summary
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Phaedrus says Lysias wrote about a fair youth being tempted, not
by a lover, and argued that the non-lover should be accepted rather than the lover.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:4
type: quote
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Socrates says Phaedrus must show what he has in his left hand
under his cloak, suspecting that the roll is the actual discourse.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short excerpt paraphrased from public domain
text.
- id: ev:5
type: quote
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Socrates says, “Let us turn aside and go by the Ilissus; we will
sit down at some quiet spot.”
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short excerpt used.
- id: ev:6
type: summary
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Phaedrus suggests going along the brook and cooling their feet
in the water, noting the midday summer heat.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:7
type: summary
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Phaedrus points out the tallest plane-tree and says there are
shade, gentle breezes, and grass for sitting or lying down.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
- id: ev:8
type: quote
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Phaedrus asks whether this is the place where “Boreas is said
to have carried off Orithyia from the banks of the Ilissus.”
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short excerpt used.
- id: ev:9
type: summary
locator: 1412-1536
quote_or_summary: Socrates says the place is lower down near the crossing to the
temple of Artemis and that there is some sort of altar of Boreas there.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/greek/project-gutenberg/phaedrus-jowett.md
rights_note: Public domain source; summarized.
confidence:
extraction: high
motif_candidates: medium
comparison_claims: uncertain
notes: Most entities and settings are explicit. Motif candidates are strongest for
the Boreas-Orithyia abduction allusion; broader landscape and wisdom/discourse
motifs are more tentative.
reviewer_status:
status: needs_review
reviewer: ''
reviewed_at: ''
notes: Machine-generated draft from OpenAI Batch; not human-reviewed.
extracted_by: openai_batch:gpt-5.5
extracted_at: '2026-04-28'
notes: |-
No comparison claims were added because the passage only briefly alludes to a local mythic tradition and does not itself develop cross-textual comparison.
batch_run_id=motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority
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