batch.motif.daoist-zhuangzi-giles-gutenberg-l12777-l12905
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record_id: batch.motif.daoist-zhuangzi-giles-gutenberg-l12777-l12905
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
passage_locator:
label: LANGUAGE. / CHAPTER XXVIII. / ON DECLINING POWER. / CHAPTER XXIX.; lines
12777-12905
start: '12777'
end: '12905'
translation: 'Chuang Tzu: Mystic, Moralist, and Social Reformer'
notes: Generated from OpenAI Batch run motif-extraction-2026-04-28-high-priority;
human review required.
canonical_text:
quote: "“They all exaggerated reputation and disregarded death.”"
summary: The speaker argues that imperial power brings loss, contrasts ancient simple
ways with later violence, attacks Confucius/Ch'iu and his teaching, and lists
revered rulers, worthies, and loyal ministers as flawed or self-destructive examples
rather than models to honor.
language: English
quote_policy: quoted
literal_observations:
- id: obs:1
text: The passage says Yao and Shun obtained the empire, yet their descendants lacked
even a tiny territory, and that the posterity of T'ang and Wu Wang was obliterated.
category: sequence
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: obs:2
text: The passage describes an early time when people sought safety from numerous
birds and animals by building dwellings in trees, eating acorns and chestnuts
by day, and sleeping on branches at night.
category: setting
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:3
text: The passage describes an early people who did not know how to make clothes,
gathered fuel in summer, and warmed themselves by fire in winter.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: obs:4
text: In the days of Shên Nung, people are described as living among wild deer,
knowing mothers but not fathers, tilling for food, weaving cloth for covering,
and harboring no thought of injuring others.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: obs:5
text: The Yellow Emperor is said to have fought Ch'ih Yu at Chŏ-lu, where blood
flowed for a hundred li.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: obs:6
text: The speaker accuses Ch'iu of using old dogmas and sophistries to deceive rulers
while seeking wealth and power, and calls him a thief.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- id: obs:7
text: Tzŭ Lu is described as giving up martial dress and weaponry to become Confucius'
disciple, later failing to kill the prince of Wei, and being hacked to pieces
and exposed at Wei's eastern gate.
category: sequence
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- id: obs:8
text: Several revered figures are listed with accusations of moral or political
failure, including Yao, Shun, Yü, T'ang, Wu Wang, and Wên Wang.
category: attribute
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: obs:9
text: Poh I and Shu Ch'i are said to have declined sovereignty and died of starvation
on Mount Shou-yang without burial.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: obs:10
text: Pao Chiao is said to have grasped a tree and died.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: obs:11
text: Shên T'u Ti is said to have jumped into a river with a stone on his back and
become food for fishes.
category: action
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: obs:12
text: Chieh Tzŭ T'ui is said to have cut flesh from his thigh to feed Wên Wang,
later grasped a tree, and was burned to death.
category: sequence
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: obs:13
text: Wei Shêng is said to have waited beneath a bridge for a girl, remained when
the water rose, grasped a buttress, and died.
category: sequence
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: obs:14
text: The speaker says Wang Tzŭ, Pi Kan, and Wu Tzŭ Hsü are called loyal ministers,
and notes that Wu Tzŭ Hsü drowned himself and Pi Kan was disembowelled.
category: speech
evidence_refs:
- ev:11
figures:
- id: fig:1
name_or_label: Robber Chê
description: The implied speaker, who says the world calls him Robber Chê and attacks
Ch'iu's teaching.
role_refs:
- role:1
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:12
- id: fig:2
name_or_label: Ch'iu / Confucius
description: The addressed teacher accused of sophistry, seeking wealth and power,
failing to care for himself or others, and bringing Tzŭ Lu to a tragic end.
role_refs:
- role:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:6
- ev:7
- ev:12
- id: fig:3
name_or_label: Yao and Shun
description: Ancient rulers said to have gained the empire; later they are also
criticized, with Yao called not paternal and Shun not filial.
role_refs:
- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:8
- id: fig:4
name_or_label: T'ang and Wu Wang
description: Rulers said to have sat on the imperial throne; T'ang is said to have
deposed his sovereign, and Wu Wang to have slain or vanquished Chou.
role_refs:
- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: fig:5
name_or_label: Shên Nung
description: A figure associated with an age of simple living and perfect virtue.
role_refs:
- role:4
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: fig:6
name_or_label: The Yellow Emperor
description: A highly reputed figure whose virtue is said to be incomplete because
he fought Ch'ih Yu at Chŏ-lu.
role_refs:
- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: fig:7
name_or_label: Ch'ih Yu
description: Opponent of the Yellow Emperor in the battle at Chŏ-lu.
role_refs:
- role:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: fig:8
name_or_label: Tzŭ Lu
description: A disciple of Confucius who gave up martial accoutrements, later failed
in an attempted killing at Wei, and died violently.
role_refs:
- role:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: fig:9
name_or_label: Poh I and Shu Ch'i
description: Two men called virtuous by the world who declined sovereignty and died
starving on Mount Shou-yang.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: fig:10
name_or_label: Pao Chiao
description: A man described as making a show of virtue, abusing the world, grasping
a tree, and dying.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: fig:11
name_or_label: Shên T'u Ti
description: A man who, when his counsels were ignored, jumped into a river with
a stone on his back and became food for fishes.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: fig:12
name_or_label: Chieh Tzŭ T'ui
description: A loyal man said to have cut flesh from his thigh to feed Wên Wang,
then later died by fire while grasping a tree.
role_refs:
- role:7
- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: fig:13
name_or_label: Wei Shêng
description: A man who waited beneath a bridge for a girl, refused to leave as the
water rose, and died holding a buttress.
role_refs:
- role:7
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: fig:14
name_or_label: Wang Tzŭ, Pi Kan, and Wu Tzŭ Hsü
description: Ministers called loyal; Wu Tzŭ Hsü is said to have drowned himself,
and Pi Kan to have been disembowelled.
role_refs:
- role:8
evidence_refs:
- ev:11
- id: fig:15
name_or_label: Wên Wang
description: A revered figure whose dogmas are attributed to Ch'iu; he is also said
to have been imprisoned at Yin Li and to have turned away from Chieh Tzŭ T'ui.
role_refs:
- role:3
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:8
- ev:10
roles:
- id: role:1
label: polemical speaker
assigned_to:
- fig:1
basis: The passage presents the speaker directly criticizing Ch'iu and rejecting
any sermon from him.
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:12
- id: role:2
label: criticized teacher
assigned_to:
- fig:2
basis: Ch'iu is accused of deceptive teaching, failure, and responsibility for Tzŭ
Lu's end.
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: role:3
label: revered ruler criticized as flawed
assigned_to:
- fig:3
- fig:4
- fig:6
- fig:15
basis: The passage names rulers or worthies with high reputation and then cites
violent, political, or moral defects.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: role:4
label: marker of ancient perfect virtue
assigned_to:
- fig:5
basis: The days of Shên Nung are associated with simple living and called an age
of perfect virtue.
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: role:5
label: battle opponent
assigned_to:
- fig:7
basis: Ch'ih Yu is the opponent fought by the Yellow Emperor at Chŏ-lu.
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- ev:8
- id: role:6
label: failed disciple and violent victim
assigned_to:
- fig:8
basis: Tzŭ Lu becomes a disciple and later is killed after a failed attempt against
the prince of Wei.
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: role:7
label: self-destructive exemplar of reputation or virtue
assigned_to:
- fig:9
- fig:10
- fig:11
- fig:12
- fig:13
basis: The speaker groups these figures as disregarding death and overvaluing reputation.
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- ev:10
- ev:11
- id: role:8
label: loyal minister or loyal retainer
assigned_to:
- fig:12
- fig:14
basis: Chieh Tzŭ T'ui is called truly loyal, and Wang Tzŭ, Pi Kan, and Wu Tzŭ Hsü
are introduced as ministers whom the world calls loyal.
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- ev:11
symbols:
- id: sym:1
label: tree refuge and death-place
literal_form: trees, branches, grasped tree
associated_figures:
- fig:10
- fig:12
taxonomy_refs:
- tree
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:9
- ev:10
- id: sym:2
label: winter fire and fatal burning
literal_form: fire
associated_figures:
- fig:12
taxonomy_refs:
- fire
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:10
- id: sym:3
label: mountain of starvation
literal_form: Mount Shou-yang
associated_figures:
- fig:9
taxonomy_refs:
- mountain
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- id: sym:4
label: water as death setting
literal_form: river, rising water beneath a bridge
associated_figures:
- fig:11
- fig:13
- fig:14
taxonomy_refs:
- water
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- ev:11
- id: sym:5
label: stone carried into river
literal_form: stone on his back
associated_figures:
- fig:11
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:10
- id: sym:6
label: discarded martial gear
literal_form: martial cap and long sword
associated_figures:
- fig:8
taxonomy_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:6
scenes:
- id: scene:1
label: Empire as excessive prize
summary: The passage presents gaining the empire as followed by loss of descendants'
territory or obliteration of posterity, and asks whether the magnitude of the
prize caused this.
figure_refs:
- fig:3
- fig:4
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
- id: scene:2
label: Ancient tree-dwellers and fire-users
summary: An early human condition is described in which people live in trees for
safety, gather nuts, collect fuel, and warm themselves by fire.
figure_refs: []
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
- sym:2
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- id: scene:3
label: Age of Shên Nung
summary: The days of Shên Nung are described as a simple age with maternal kinship,
living among deer, farming, weaving, and no intent to injure others.
figure_refs:
- fig:5
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:3
- id: scene:4
label: Violence after ancient virtue
summary: The Yellow Emperor's battle, the ministries of Yao and Shun, T'ang's deposition
of his sovereign, and Wu Wang's slaying of Chou are presented as the beginning
of oppression and disturbance.
figure_refs:
- fig:3
- fig:4
- fig:6
- fig:7
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:4
- id: scene:5
label: Accusation of Confucius
summary: The speaker accuses Ch'iu of deceptive teaching, greed for wealth and power,
and failure to instruct Tzŭ Lu properly.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
- fig:8
symbol_refs:
- sym:6
evidence_refs:
- ev:5
- ev:6
- ev:7
- id: scene:6
label: Reputed worthies reinterpreted as flawed
summary: Revered rulers and worthies are reviewed and each is assigned a defect,
with the speaker concluding that desire for advantage disturbed their original
purity.
figure_refs:
- fig:3
- fig:4
- fig:6
- fig:15
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- id: scene:7
label: Deaths of reputation-seeking exemplars
summary: Figures praised as virtuous or loyal are described as starving, drowning,
burning, or dying while holding fast to an assignation, and the speaker says they
disregarded death for reputation.
figure_refs:
- fig:9
- fig:10
- fig:11
- fig:12
- fig:13
- fig:14
symbol_refs:
- sym:1
- sym:2
- sym:3
- sym:4
- sym:5
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- ev:10
- ev:11
- id: scene:8
label: Rejection of Ch'iu's sermon
summary: The speaker rejects Ch'iu's proposed sermon, saying ghostly subjects would
not be understood and human affairs are already known.
figure_refs:
- fig:1
- fig:2
symbol_refs: []
evidence_refs:
- ev:12
candidate_motifs:
- id: motif:1
label: Imperial greatness followed by dynastic loss
taxonomy_refs:
- royal_legitimacy
basis: The passage links the empire as the greatest state with the later territorial
loss or obliteration of the posterity of Yao, Shun, T'ang, and Wu Wang.
evidence_refs:
- ev:1
confidence: medium
cautions: The passage is polemical and does not present a formal myth of dynastic
succession; the taxonomy link is thematic rather than explicit.
- id: motif:2
label: Primal simple age of perfect virtue
taxonomy_refs:
- wisdom
basis: The passage contrasts ancient tree-dwelling and fire-using peoples, and especially
the days of Shên Nung, with later violence and ambition.
evidence_refs:
- ev:2
- ev:3
- ev:4
confidence: high
cautions: This is a moral-historical description rather than a narrative quest or
creation account.
- id: motif:3
label: Revered culture figures exposed as flawed
taxonomy_refs:
- culture_hero
- wisdom
basis: The Yellow Emperor, Yao, Shun, Yü, T'ang, Wu Wang, and Wên Wang are named
as highly reputed yet morally or politically compromised figures.
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
confidence: medium
cautions: The passage critiques culture-historical exemplars; it does not celebrate
them as culture heroes.
- id: motif:4
label: Virtue or loyalty leading to self-destruction
taxonomy_refs:
- sacrifice
basis: Poh I and Shu Ch'i starve, Pao Chiao dies grasping a tree, Shên T'u Ti drowns
with a stone, Chieh Tzŭ T'ui cuts his thigh and later burns, Wei Shêng drowns
or dies by rising water, and loyal ministers suffer death.
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- ev:10
- ev:11
confidence: high
cautions: The speaker interprets these deaths negatively as attachment to reputation,
so the sacrifice taxonomy is partial and should be reviewed.
- id: motif:5
label: Anti-preaching wisdom critique
taxonomy_refs:
- wisdom
basis: The speaker refuses Ch'iu's sermon and claims that if it concerns human affairs,
there is nothing more to say because he already knows it all.
evidence_refs:
- ev:12
confidence: medium
cautions: This is a rhetorical motif within a dialogue, not a cross-text comparison
by itself.
comparison_claims:
- id: claim:1
claim: 'The passage itself groups several celebrated virtuous figures as sharing
the same function: they are examples of reputation-valuing conduct that disregards
life and ends in death.'
claim_level: same_function
target: Poh I and Shu Ch'i, Pao Chiao, Shên T'u Ti, Chieh Tzŭ T'ui, and Wei Shêng
as a set of self-destructive exemplars
evidence_refs:
- ev:9
- ev:10
- ev:11
counter_evidence_refs: []
confidence: high
limitations: This is an internal comparison made by the passage, not evidence for
historical contact or wider motif diffusion.
- id: claim:2
claim: 'The passage compares highly reputed rulers and ministers by subjecting them
to a common demoting pattern: public honor is contrasted with hidden moral or
political failure.'
claim_level: same_function
target: Yellow Emperor, Yao, Shun, Yü, T'ang, Wu Wang, Wên Wang, Wang Tzŭ, Pi Kan,
and Wu Tzŭ Hsü
evidence_refs:
- ev:8
- ev:11
counter_evidence_refs: []
confidence: medium
limitations: The comparison is polemical and selective; the passage does not provide
independent accounts of each figure beyond brief accusations.
evidence:
- id: ev:1
type: summary
locator: lines 12777-12783
quote_or_summary: Yao and Shun gained the empire but their descendants had almost
no territory; T'ang and Wu Wang sat on the imperial throne but their posterity
was obliterated; the speaker asks whether this was because of the prize's magnitude.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:2
type: summary
locator: lines 12785-12794
quote_or_summary: In olden times birds and animals outnumbered people, who lived
in trees, ate acorns and chestnuts, slept on branches, gathered fuel in summer,
and warmed themselves by fire in winter.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:3
type: summary
locator: lines 12796-12804
quote_or_summary: In Shên Nung's days people lay down and rose without concern,
knew mothers but not fathers, lived among deer, farmed, wove cloth, had no thought
of injury, and this is called an age of perfect virtue.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:4
type: summary
locator: lines 12806-12814
quote_or_summary: The Yellow Emperor fought Ch'ih Yu at Chŏ-lu until blood flowed
for a hundred li; later Yao, Shun, T'ang, and Wu Wang are linked to ministers,
deposition, slaying Chou, and the rise of oppression.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:5
type: summary
locator: lines 12816-12821
quote_or_summary: The speaker accuses Ch'iu of preaching Wên Wang's dogmas, using
sophistries, deceiving rulers, seeking wealth and power, and being a greater thief
than Robber Chê.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:6
type: summary
locator: lines 12823-12835
quote_or_summary: Tzŭ Lu is said to have been enticed by Confucius, removed his
martial cap and sword, sat as a disciple, later failed in an attempted killing
at Wei, and was hacked to pieces and displayed at the eastern gate.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:7
type: summary
locator: lines 12837-12845
quote_or_summary: The speaker recounts Confucius' expulsions and failures in several
states and says his teaching brought Tzŭ Lu to a tragic end and cannot care for
self or others.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:8
type: summary
locator: lines 12847-12869
quote_or_summary: The passage says the Yellow Emperor's virtue was incomplete, Yao
was not paternal, Shun not filial, Yü lacked natural feeling, T'ang deposed his
sovereign, Wu Wang vanquished Chou, and Wên Wang was imprisoned; desire for advantage
disturbed their purity.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:9
type: summary
locator: lines 12871-12878
quote_or_summary: Poh I and Shu Ch'i declined the sovereignty of Ku-chu and died
starving on Mount Shou-yang without burial; Pao Chiao made a display of virtue,
abused the world, grasped a tree, and died.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:10
type: summary
locator: lines 12880-12893
quote_or_summary: Shên T'u Ti jumped into a river with a stone on his back; Chieh
Tzŭ T'ui cut flesh from his thigh to feed Wên Wang and later died by fire grasping
a tree; Wei Shêng waited beneath a bridge until water rose and died holding a
buttress.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
- id: ev:11
type: quote
locator: lines 12895-12901
quote_or_summary: "“They all exaggerated reputation and disregarded death”; the
passage then names Wang Tzŭ, Pi Kan, and Wu Tzŭ Hsü as loyal ministers, noting
that Wu Tzŭ Hsü drowned himself and Pi Kan was disembowelled."
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; short quotation used.
- id: ev:12
type: summary
locator: lines 12903-12905
quote_or_summary: The speaker says that if Ch'iu's sermon concerns ghosts he will
not understand it, and if it concerns human affairs he already knows it all.
source_text_path: texts/public-domain/daoist/project-gutenberg/chuang-tzu-giles.md
rights_note: Public domain source; concise summary.
confidence:
extraction: high
motif_candidates: medium
comparison_claims: medium
notes: Extraction is based only on the supplied passage. Motif taxonomy assignments
are cautious because the passage is primarily a philosophical-polemical dialogue
with historical exempla rather than an explicit mythic narrative.
reviewer_status:
status: needs_review
reviewer: ''
reviewed_at: ''
notes: Machine-generated draft from OpenAI Batch; not human-reviewed.
extracted_by: openai_batch:gpt-5.5
extracted_at: '2026-04-28'
notes: |-
No external sources or unstated comparisons were used. Comparison claims are limited to patterns explicitly grouped or contrasted within the passage.
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